Amy and Jaime are rapt as he details his life of adventures and poetically distills how they inform his work and his experience of humanity. A real salt of the earth, this guy.

Listen on Design Milk here.

Also in this episode, we’ve got our first Clever Extra! Street Photographer Tony Salvagio talks about winning the Wix Shoot the Cover contest and how it’s affected his career and how he approaches photography. Read the blog post and see Tony’s work here.

Stay tuned for a new episode of Clever in two weeks!